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In the past 20 years of working for Volkswagen I’ve been informed now from the brand they don’t recognise any external training and IMI qualifications taken!

“Unfortunately, at this time Volkswagen Group do not recognise any external training qualifications completed outside of the Volkswagen training as this has not been mapped to our core factory competencies or health and safety requirements”

Sounds very much like politics! I wanted to ask if they approved of a Technical Topics training level 4 IMI with James Dillon, as you can see from there reply it’s a No!

is there others that are finding this too when they work at dealer level?
 
The "factory" quals are just that, tailored to their own brand. The laws of physics recognise no badge nor manufacturers policy, even that of the IMI.
See mate I’ve used factory trained testing to diagnose, then used your diagnosis methods and guess what your training time and time over mate…I’m disgusted with the brand saying even the IMI isn’t recognised really poor mate, and I guarantee James Dillons training would be great too compared to factory training, I’ve realised manufactures only allow and tell you what they want!
 
I'd take a qual based on James training over any other "comparable" standard out there.
 
I'd take a qual based on James training over any other "comparable" standard out there.
I know mate I’m just not sure what to do, as let’s say I do James’s qual but Volkswagen won’t recognise it at all, would it be a waste ? All wrong mate how can Volkswagen dictate what qualification you do
 
I'd still do the training, forget VW stance on the certificate itself, its (the training) way above and beyond anything else out there.
 
No training is a waste mate, your bettering yourself not VW at the end of the day.

you have to remember that OE brand training is tailored for warranty purpose!!
 
I'm pretty sure ALL manufacturers will take this stance. I had it when moving from VAG to Ford, both VAG and Ford give you IMI accreditation when reaching Master Tech level (I was Seat & Skoda) and for the AC F-Gas accreditation. and the training must have met IMI standards.

Whether its James Dillon, VW, Ford or Billy Bob Training Centre, if they are IMI accredited then surely a training criteria, standards and subject matter should be at a level standard? (how high the IMI set the bar is unknown to us, nor is how much more individual content training providers put into the course) But it doesn't carry the manufacturer logo or authorisation. Some "generic" MT paths contain subjects not covered by the manufacturer path.

Are the IMI worth anything outside the trade? Another discussion as they are not widely known outside the trade, unlike Gas register etc etc for other trades

On starting Ford they didn't recognise any training i'd taken and I had to start again at apprentice level, I took online tests, then face to face assessments and passed Service Technician, Qualified Technician and Senior Qualified Technician. I had to re-sit the F-Gas as I couldn't provide my cert from VW days and the NLC wouldn't provide a replacement. Upon taking the course and not getting my Ford cert I was told I was already registered with IMI !! (Go figure?......money making for bums on seats). The route to MT for Ford is much harder and longer than VAG from my experience (but Ford is much harder, disjointed, un organised, up in the air, useless too!!)

I suppose, like mentioned already, the manufacturer will always want to train you on their vehicles, their way so as to set a bench mark for training across the network of dealers in that specific country, core competencies, warranty standards, values etc etc

Taking any "non approved" training is entirely at your expense and choice but won't be recognised at manufacturer level. I suppose without sounding harsh it could well be classed as a generic qualification, although we all know the standards would have to of been met to gain the certification standards and that the training standard will be of a much higher level than most if not all manufacturer courses (having done many myself, I don't rate dealer training much)

Incidentally, the training I've done and things I've learned outside of any manufacturer based course have put my in a better position at work to fix / diagnose cars......but has come at a cost I won'r recoup and can really only benefit the employer more

so in a round about way......no training is a waste of money, especially if you took anything from it and is entirely at your expense. But won't be recognised by any manufacturer.
 
I'm pretty sure ALL manufacturers will take this stance. I had it when moving from VAG to Ford, both VAG and Ford give you IMI accreditation when reaching Master Tech level (I was Seat & Skoda) and for the AC F-Gas accreditation. and the training must have met IMI standards.

Whether its James Dillon, VW, Ford or Billy Bob Training Centre, if they are IMI accredited then surely a training criteria, standards and subject matter should be at a level standard? (how high the IMI set the bar is unknown to us, nor is how much more individual content training providers put into the course) But it doesn't carry the manufacturer logo or authorisation. Some "generic" MT paths contain subjects not covered by the manufacturer path.

Are the IMI worth anything outside the trade? Another discussion as they are not widely known outside the trade, unlike Gas register etc etc for other trades

On starting Ford they didn't recognise any training i'd taken and I had to start again at apprentice level, I took online tests, then face to face assessments and passed Service Technician, Qualified Technician and Senior Qualified Technician. I had to re-sit the F-Gas as I couldn't provide my cert from VW days and the NLC wouldn't provide a replacement. Upon taking the course and not getting my Ford cert I was told I was already registered with IMI !! (Go figure?......money making for bums on seats). The route to MT for Ford is much harder and longer than VAG from my experience (but Ford is much harder, disjointed, un organised, up in the air, useless too!!)

I suppose, like mentioned already, the manufacturer will always want to train you on their vehicles, their way so as to set a bench mark for training across the network of dealers in that specific country, core competencies, warranty standards, values etc etc

Taking any "non approved" training is entirely at your expense and choice but won't be recognised at manufacturer level. I suppose without sounding harsh it could well be classed as a generic qualification, although we all know the standards would have to of been met to gain the certification standards and that the training standard will be of a much higher level than most if not all manufacturer courses (having done many myself, I don't rate dealer training much)

Incidentally, the training I've done and things I've learned outside of any manufacturer based course have put my in a better position at work to fix / diagnose cars......but has come at a cost I won'r recoup and can really only benefit the employer more

so in a round about way......no training is a waste of money, especially if you took anything from it and is entirely at your expense. But won't be recognised by any manufacturer.
Thanks mate, NLC/Volkswagen UK don't recognize any IMI qualifications now that's from Master Technician, High voltage down to service tech the only qualification they recognize is F-Gas, thanks for your input lads. Ill see what they come back with as Ive asked if I carry out a external training will the approve of the qualification, the answer will be NO but least ive voiced my opinions.
 
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